Thursday, July 8, 2010

Shaky Stats

Two things on my mind this morning:

First, EKOS has officially outsourced their political polling to a codfish. I don't doubt for a second that the Liberals are in a bad way, but look at those bounces in BC, and the NDP's results in Alberta and Atlantic Canada (!!!). Margin of error aside, these results are downright wonky. Nonetheless, I'm sure everyone is looking forward to the wild election speculation over the next couple days and talk of the big Mo'.

This conveniently leads into my next point on the dangers of crap polling and bad data. I'm a bit sensitive over this stuff, but this census thing really has my hackles up. It's just another step in Canada's not so slow descent to an idiocracy. Like most important policy issues, this isn't a sexy topic, so there's little reaction to the horrified cries from academics, economists, and public servants, and that's depressing. This is really important stuff, and nobody gives a shit.

EDITED TO ADD: And if I hear or read one more person saying "well alot of people just make stuff up on the long form" I'm jumping out my office window. What nonsense.

14 comments:

  1. The long census form is intrusive. For example, I knew what my parents income was when I had to fill out the same form after them.

    It is wrong pure and simple.

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  2. Yes, the poll is part of a grand conspiracy. You guys are starting to sound like the paranoid right wing. You REALLY are down in the polls and its because you've abandoned the progressive movement so many in the progressive movement have abandoned you. I'm mean really, you undemocratically put in IGNATIEFF and thought we'd stick around?!

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  3. It is wrong pure and simple.

    No. No, it isn't.

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  4. Lifetime LiberalJuly 8, 2010 at 12:48 PM

    If the Liberals make an issue out of the long form, I would actually vote conservative for the first time in my life. I am very impressed that they got rid of this intrusiveness. They should be getting rid of the census alltogether.

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  5. BREAKING: CONCERN TROLL CONCERNED! More at 11...

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  6. Lifetime LiberalJuly 8, 2010 at 1:16 PM

    I don't know why you are not "concerned" about the government collecting information on you.

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  7. I don't know why you are not "concerned" about the government collecting information on you.

    Why would I be? I know what it's used for and it's necessary, has been a basic responsibility of the state for 6,000 years. I have a driver's license, a passport, credit cards, bank accounts, a mortgage, a birth certificate, e-mail accounts, I pay my taxes, and am on the contact lists of two different political parties. You have more important things to worry about than the census buds.

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  8. Ha! A concern troll is a mark that you have finally arrived on the blogosphere Shine :). The only thing this long form census will do is allowing policymaking to be more prescriptive and more prone to political winds than of institutional memory.

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  9. Ha! A concern troll is a mark that you have finally arrived on the blogosphere Shine :).

    And I'm honoured, especially with a handle as awesome as "Lifelong Liberal".

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  10. Yes, of course. Being '20-something' you have all kinds of life experience to draw on when you grandly proclaim that you are right and everyone else (professors, scholars, attorneys, etc) is wrong on this subject. Whatever would the rest of us do without true geniuses like you around telling us what to do, think and say?

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  11. Yes, of course. Being '20-something' you have all kinds of life experience to draw on when you grandly proclaim that you are right and everyone else (professors, scholars, attorneys, etc) is wrong on this subject. Whatever would the rest of us do without true geniuses like you around telling us what to do, think and say?

    Yikes! I'd be pretty embarassed if a 20-something showed an ability to consrider the merits of a particular policy and ended up coming down on the same side as the vast majority of experts on the subject while I (I being the infinitely older and wiser "Anonymous") just believe what "everybody else" says... despite the fact that "everybody else" is quite clearly against the scrapping of the long form.

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  12. Just because I hate to see "Anonymous", troll though he is, so confused about what the experts think about this:

    Chief researcher and planner of the City of Calgary

    Business and Economics groups

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    Policy experts

    Respected journalists like Dan Gardner

    Advocacy Groups

    Former head of Statscan

    There's just a small sample of what's being said. I left out the editorials from every serious news organization in the country blasting the decision. I couldn't find a single article on Google news, that didn't have the word "Clement" in the headline, defending the decision. So please troll, stop making stuff up.

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  13. You know it has become an odd time when the resistance to doing a census finds common cause with New York Hipsters .

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  14. You know it has become an odd time when the resistance to doing a census finds common cause with New York Hipsters .

    I wish it was just laziness in this case instead of the paranoia and suspicion of knowledge / the social sciences that result in this sort of crap from the CPC.

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